A Very Prideful Bookish Discussion

Welcome to my first Let’s Talk Bookish entry in a while!

This week’s prompt is: Happy Pride!  What are your favourite books with LGBTQIA+ representation? Are there authors or series you always recommend? What books are on your Pride Month TBR?  What do you think makes representation feel genuine?

Since it is, in fact, Pride Month, and I’m yet to do a post about it (mostly because I haven’t posted very much this month), I definitely wanted to do this prompt. I do have at least one more pride-related blog post planned for later in the month, but for now, let’s take a look at some of these questions.


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What are your favourite books with LGBTQIA+ representation? Are there authors or series you always recommend?

I’m not going to give a full answer to these questions, because I plan on doing a longer post dedicated to LGBTQIA+ book recommendations later in the month, but I thought I would share some go-to authors.

I think one that probably a lot of people would jump to (me included) is Becky Chambers – if you’re into science fiction, you can rest assured that any Becky Chambers book will be *full* of diverse LGBTQIA+ representation. Becky Chambers is also considered an Own Voices author.

And in the YA space, I remember really enjoying Jandy Nelson’s I’ll Give You the Sun, and the author has at least one more novel that is marked “LGBTQIA+” on StoryGraph (out of three total), so that could be a good option if you prefer something more contemporary/realistic fiction.

For more recommendations definitely stay tuned for my full-length recommendations post later in the month.

I will say that I’ve got a fair few recommendations for gay/lesbian characters and non-binary characters, but not as many for other identities, so I would love some recommendations!


What books are on your Pride Month TBR?

I didn’t actually make my TBR this month specifically with Pride in mind (I’m pretty bad at doing season/event-specific reading anyway, and I had quite a lot of things I needed to slot into my TBR this month). However, I think that almost makes it more interesting to see what LGBTQIA+ representation made into my TBR anyway without me doing it deliberately.

And I’m pleased to see that there are a couple of books on there that I think count!

First up, we have Taiwan Travelogue by Yang Shuang-zi, the most recent International Booker Prize winner. The novel follows a Japanese tourist in Taiwan during the Japanese colonial period, and her local interpreter. It’s set up as a translation of a ‘discovered’ manuscript (which is now translated into English – so many juicy levels of translation) and deals a lot with issues of colonialism etc. through the sapphic love story between the Japanese tourist and her Taiwanese interpreter. I do also love that we’re getting a sapphic story in a historical fiction novel set in Taiwan, especially as Taiwan was the first Asian country to legalise same-sex marriage in 2019.

Apart from that, we also have the Lake of Souls short story collection by Ann Leckie. Although it isn’t marked specifically as LGBTQIA+ on StoryGraph and I haven’t read it yet so I don’t know specifics on representation, the greater Imperial Radch universe which three of the stories are based on features a wide array of gender identities and cultural conceptions of gender, including a lack of gendered pronouns (using exclusively “she”) in the dominant culture and (perhaps as a result of this) features many queer relationships. I can only imagine this carries into the short stories as well.

Finally, I have read a couple of danmei* books already this month – they weren’t on my TBR but I read them when I was London since I took a little wonder into Forbidden Planet and came out with goodies. I don’t necessarily think that danmei is the *best* representation of LGBTQIA+ in literature, however I do think it has an important role and, if done well, can be good or at least important representation. The two novels that I picked up and have already read were the first volume of The Wife Comes First and Golden Terrace.

Interestingly, both of these are set in fictional historical Chinese periods where marriage between two men is legal (at least to some extent), and is used as a way to limit power of powerful officials by denying them ‘legitimate’ heirs (as they can then only have biological heirs from concubines, who wouldn’t be legitimate). I think this can provoke some really interesting discussion about conceptions of homosexuality in historical periods (especially as some Chinese emperors were famously into men), as well as the negative effects of sexism.

*Danmei: A category of Chinese literature (and especially web novels) that focus on romantic relationships between male characters. Wikipedia classifies these relationships as “homoerotic” as the characters don’t always necessarily identify as gay, and the explicitness of the relationships (as in, how clear it is that they are in a relationship) can vary depending on series, censorship etc. The audience of these books is traditionally considered to be primarily adult women. Stories about love between two women are called “baihe”, although fewer of these have official English translations – you can find some fan translations online though. Baihe has a separate history to danmei and is generally considered to have a less specific target audience.

I will say that I found the sexism in these books (especially in The Wife Comes First, not really in Golden Terrace) to be far more problematic than any of the representation of the relationships, and actually thought the relationships were portrayed very interestingly, with a variety of implied sexualities. For example, the main character in The Wife Comes First is mostly only interested in his female concubines in the first life, and resents his male “wife” (legitimate spouse, here translated as ‘wife’), mostly because he was forced to marry him by the Empress who hates him. When he finds himself in peril, though, his concubines abandon him and only his ‘wife’ stays by his side, so when he finds himself waking up on the night of his wedding he decides to be completely dedicated to his ‘wife’ in this life – and he’s clearly attracted to him. So potentially bisexual? And in Golden Terrace, there is a bit of a rivals-to-lovers element, and again an arranged marriage, but it is clear that one of them identifies specifically as gay whilst the other doesn’t necessarily.

The lack of sexual violence (mostly) in these two books did make feel happier about the representation, and Golden Terrace in particular contains a lot of historical fiction/fantasy politics – although there is a strong romantic element, the characters have lives and personalities outside of each other, and I think that’s important for making representation feel genuine and not just like fantasy fulfilment for straight women (a common criticism).


What do you think makes representation feel genuine?

I guess that partial discussion of whether danmei books can count as ‘good’ representation leads pretty well into this question.

I think genuine representation comes from creating fully-developed characters. I don’t think there is one right way to write a character of a certain gender or sexual identity, just like I don’t think there is one right way to write a female character, for instance. However, there is definitely a wrong way – that is, writing a flat, one-dimensional character that only exists for the plot (or other characters) to move around. If you write your characters as humans who also happen to be gay or bisexual or non-binary etc. then I think you have a good chance of the representation feeling genuine (or at least not downright offensive).

I do also think getting some basic facts right would probably be a good idea, and an attentiveness to some of the debates or common stereotypes surrounding certain identities can help address (or avoid) these with sensitivity and intention rather than accidentally, unknowingly, or unthinkingly reinforcing what might be harmful stereotypes.


Keira x

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9 responses to “A Very Prideful Bookish Discussion”

  1. Charlotte avatar

    I somehow didnt realise Becky Chambers books are filled with diverse representation 🙈 I guess I’ve somehow not read many of the reviews for her books 🤔 I believe Alice Oseman has a mix of representation in their novels too, including asexual although I haven’t gotten to any of them yet. I don’t get to contemporary titles very often and kind of forgot they were on my TBR 🙈

    Taiwan Travelogue sounds like an interesting and unique read. I hadn’t heard of danmei before but then I don’t tend to read comics ir graphic novels. I have a few jotted down to try eventually but never seem to get to them 🙈

    As to representation I agree that it has to come with fleshed out characters rather than simply having them included to tick boxes. And they each need to vary in terms of personality too. You can’t simply have all of your LGBTQ+ characters written in the same way. Otherwise they’ve clearly just been put in for the sake of it. I think authors also have to consider their setting to make things believable and show the struggles that their characters would have had to face if they’re set in a real rather than fantasy world. Otherwise I feel like it can belittle how people have been persecuted in the past almost.

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    1. Keira @Keira’s Bookmark avatar

      Oh my gosh, no they’re FULL of representation! I must admit I don’t remember it in To Be Taught, If Fortunate mostly because I was more focused on other elements and that element is less central than the discussions of scientific morality etc. but all of her other books it’s VERY prominent. The Wayfarer series in particular is very diverse in terms of both gender and sexual identity, including cultures/species with completely different understandings of gender and sexuality than humans. The Monk and Robot duology is more human-based but our main character is non-binary and there’s also a discussion about using inanimate pronouns for sentient/sapient robots.

      Good news – a lot of danmei is novels and not comics! There are some comics, but most are based off of web novels/light novels, so most danmei in translation is actually full-length novels!

      I quite like it when things are set in worlds that are completely not homophobic etc. because I think seeing it modelled as something normal is a) important and b) a nice break from the real world. However, I think this has to be done deliberately and it has to be actually completely normalised in that society. It also doesn’t work if your work is ostensibly set in our current/past worlds because then that’s just not the way things are. In these cases, gender and sexuality shouldn’t be the main point of the story though, as of course the characters should be facing difficulties and struggles. It’s also important to consider the wider consequences for such a different world – for example, if same-gender and/or same-sex relationships are accepted in the world, what implications does this have for things like misogyny and patriarchy which are often based on a heterosexual relationship structure etc. Otherwise it doesn’t feel genuine.

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      1. Charlotte avatar

        Sorry I missed half your reply before I didn’t realise it had more than the first paragraph 🙈 I think the layout change on WordPress is throwing me.

        Ooh thanks for letting me know. I’ll have to look them up and see what jumps out at me.

        It can definitely be nice to have worlds where that kind of homophobic behaviour doesn’t exist. I hadn’t considered how times would change as you’ve described but you make a good point. The world could certainly be a very different place than it is now.

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        1. Keira @Keira’s Bookmark avatar

          No worries hehe!

          I also think that always including homophobia in completely made up worlds can reinforce an idea that this is something obviously or inherently different that would result in discrimination in any society, when I don’t think that’s the case at all. There is no inherent reason why any society has to be homophobic so showing societies that aren’t can be very powerful at problematising some such assumptions!

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          1. Charlotte avatar

            Thats a very good point, instead some can show us a better world almost – in those kind of regards anyway. I know a lot of fantasy novels have other dangers brewing in thr background.

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  3. shanaqui avatar

    Ahh, it’s nice to see someone else mentioned danmei as well! I think they’re a weird mix of radical and really reductive, often weirdly heteronormative in the relationship structures they include (though often the individual characters are less stereotyped than the rigidity of their roles might imply). In a way, I think it’s often about making those relationships a little more understandable/acceptable in the very homophobic context: like, “look, they have a ‘normal’ home life where one is the wife, even though they’re both men!” Sort of unqueering it even while they’re writing m/m.

    But I don’t want to discount them either because in their context, portraying two men getting happily married is radical. So I think it’s important to critique those aspects of them, and not downplay how problematic they can be… but also celebrate some really gorgeous love stories.

    I need to try Golden Terrace! I thought about picking it up when I saw it in the shop yesterday, but hesitated, because I have so many danmei series ready to start, haha.

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    1. Keira @Keira’s Bookmark avatar

      I agree with your analysis of the danmei hehe. Both radical and heteronormative at the same time. Golden Terrace is pretty heavy on the politics, but it’s also only 2 volumes so it could be a nice quick read!

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      1. shanaqui avatar

        Oh, that’s good to know! I could use something pretty self-contained. Thanks!

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